Modern

[Mike]

Now that Modern is official I am able to think about it....

Here's my knee-jerk reaction to the format:

Zoo

...that's all I got. Should be interesting to brew?

I think my starting point would be Mono U Wizzies

Dragonstorm?
Gifts/Teachings?
Cloudpost?

Other cards that scream for attention: Tarmogoyf, Dark Confidant, Aether Vial

Other reactions? I'm not incredibly motivated to see what is already out there regarding the format, more fun being blind.


Mono U


4 Spellstutter Sprite
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Scion of Oona
2 Venser, Shaper Savant

4 Vedalken Shackles

3 Spell Snare
4 Mana Leak
4 Cryptic Command
4 Preordain

Island
4 Mutavault

More cards


Probably play some fetches/shocks to splash whatever's best. I assume aggro will be good to start with, so maybe Timely Reinforcements.


On the other hand, a deck that can rely on Kitchen Finks and Timely Reinforcements sounds good. Doran?

[massimiliano]

I'm immediately looking to pod at the legacy shell I had going and cutting the cards that aren't in modern.

Other than that, I want to see some sort of monowhite deck with Aether Vial, Ghost Quarters, Leonin Arbiter etc.

The format is very wide open though

[avalon]

Gifts/Loam w/punishing fire+burnwillows, Eternal Witness, Goyf, EE, etc.

or

TRON.

Looks like there will be some interesting brewing.

[Mike]

Here are my rough drafts of a few archetypes I like.

RUG Gifts

4 gifts ungiven
2 Firespout
1 Pyroclasm
1 Volcanic Fallout
1 vendilion clique
1 eternal witness
4 mana leak
4 tarmogoyf
3 punishing fire
1 life from the loam
1 crucible of worlds
1 ancient grudge
4 preordain
2 lightning bolt
4 cryptic command
1 engineered explosives

4 grove of the burnwillows
1 academy ruins
3 stomping ground
3 breeding pool
3 steam vents
4 misty rainforest
4 scalding tarn
1 forest
1 island
1 mountain


Naya Zoo

4 wild nacatl
3 grim lavamancer
3 qasali pridemage
4 tarmogoyf
4 knight of the reliquary
4 steppe lynx
4 bloodbraid elf

4 lightning bolt
3 lightning helix
3 path to exile

3 sacred foundry
3 stomping ground
3 temple garden
4 arid mesa
3 scalding tarn
3 verdant catacombs
1 plains
1 mountain
1 forest
2 misty rainforest


Esper Bob

4 dark confidant
2 kitchen finks
2 timely reinforcements
2 inquisition of kozilek
3 thoughtseize
1 vendilion clique
4 mana leak
3 spell snare
1 spell pierce

4 preordain
3 dismember
1 go for the throat
2 condescend
1 remand
2 esper charm

4 watery grave
4 hallowed fountain
2 godless shrine
4 marsh flats
3 verdant catacombs
3 misty rainforest
2 swamp
2 island
1 plains


Mono U Control

4 thirst for knowledge
4 vedalken shackles
2 engineered explosives
1 pithing needle
3 trinket mage
3 firespout
4 mana leak
3 spell snare
1 spell pierce
1 venser, shaper savant
1 crucible of worlds
1 everflowing chalice
4 cryptic command
3 condescend
1 remand

2 Academy Ruins
2 Steam Vents
2 Breeding Pool
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
10 Island

[massimiliano]

must stealthily buy up all gifts ungiven . . .

[DazBoot]

Damn! I was brewing gifts lists!

[Mike]

Blood Moon!

Also, I have no idea how to build or play Gifts, never cast the card in my life (maybe once playing Foghat's Sharuum EDH).

[massimiliano]

gifts makes it so birthing pod is better . . .

[avalon]

You gifts for Loam, Punishing Fire, Burnwillows, and anything else.

[DazBoot]

Aug 12, 2011 20:23:01 GMT -5 Mike said:

Blood Moon!

Also, I have no idea how to build or play Gifts, never cast the card in my life (maybe once playing Foghat's Sharuum EDH).

Yes you have. Because we agreed it was cheating.

[Kiki]

12 post is better.

Lands:
4 breeding pool
4 cloudpost
1 eye of ugin
2 forest
4 glimmerpost
1 island
4 misty rainforest
1 tectonic edge
4 vesuva

Creatures
1 sakura-Tribe Elder
3 primeval titan
4 emrakul, the aeons Torn


Noncreature Spells
4 expedition map
4 simic signet
3 condescend
4 remand
4 repeal
4 explore
4 green sun's Zenith


You can slow roll and emrakul without resolving another spell as early as turn 5, but more likely turn 6 or 7 while gaining life along the way. You can take infinite turns, and drop a turn 3 primeval titan to gain 8 life. If you swing with primeval titan, you can gain another dozen life.

Gifts for Life from the loam, academy ruins, mindslaver, cloudpost was tried. Primeval titan and emrakul give you equal inevitability though, and the early game gifts pile of loam, cloudpost, glimmerpost, vesuva just didnt seem good enough to take away 4 slots to gifts ungiven, 1 to life from the loam, 1 to academy ruins, 1 to mindslaver.

[fredcoleaa]

Did they do it with the dumb banned list they had floated? No jitte? No mox?

[Mike]

The final banned list is as follows:

Ancestral Vision
Ancient Den
Bitterblossom
Chrome Mox
Dark Depths
Dread Return
Glimpse of Nature
Golgari Grave-Troll
Great Furnace
Hypergenesis
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Mental Misstep
Seat of the Synod
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales
Umezawa's Jitte
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Vault of Whispers


A lot of people are complaining but I think that it makes it more exciting to brew. I don't want to play with those cards all over again anyway.

[tehwerr]

so basically they banned the tried and true legacy decks that fit into the format.

[Kiki]

They banned key cards from each of the past powerful standard decks except that they left jund alone.
Then any legacy cards that they thought would port over, but they left legacy creatures (except stoneforge) alone.

[DazBoot]

(and Golgari Grave Troll =P)

[Godtoucher]

Tezzeret, pretty good match up against the 'popular' decks.

As it turns out:

Eldrazi hate Ensnaring Bridge.
Combo hates Trinisphere.
Creatures hate Vedalken Shackles.

and

Rings of Brighthearth + 4 artifacts = lethal tezzeret ultimate

Also, people play poorly against rogue decks.

[fredcoleaa]

Mike, why
Glimpse of Nature
Hypergenesis
Mental Misstep
Sword of the Meek
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle

And will it effect the price of Jace and Bitterblossom?

[Godtoucher]

Aug 15, 2011 21:11:31 GMT -5 fredcoleaa said:

Mike, why
Glimpse of Nature
Hypergenesis
Mental Misstep
Sword of the Meek
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle

And will it effect the price of Jace and Bitterblossom?

Glimpse is comborific in elves
Hypergenesis is a combo deck when combined with cascade
Mental Misstep, they didn't want people to be able to counter things on turn 1 on the draw.
Sword of the Meek and Thopter Foundry Combo too well.
Valakut is a combo deck and has access to scapeshift and or pismatic omen.

Also, Max, here is my tezzeret list:


4x Dimir Signet
4x Everflowing Chalice
3x Mox Opal
3x Engineered Explosives
2x Vedalken Shackles
2x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Executioner's Capsule
1x Pithing Needle
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Expedition Map
1x Rings of Brighthearth
1x Wurmcoil Engine

4x Thirst for Knowledge
4x Remand

4x Thoughtcast
2x Fabricate

4x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas

2x Watery Grave
4x Scalding Tarn
4x Darksteel Citadel
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ghost Quarter
8x Island

Board:
4x Duress
2x Trinisphere
2x Nihil Spellbomb
2x Relic of Progenitus
2x Pithing Needle
2x Go for the Throat
1x Rings of Brighthearth

[Mike]

Bitterblossom and Jace won't be affected, well, they won't go up like they would if they were legal but they retain their legacy value. Short term there might be less demand for legacy due to modern but long term it will not be relevant.

Here's a few more lists I brainstormed (rough lists).

BUG

4 dark confidant
4 tarmogoyf
3 vendilion clique

4 thoughtseize
2 inquisition of kozilek
4 mana leak
2 condescend
3 spell snare
1 spell pierce
3 engineered explosives
1 dismember
1 go for the throat
1 maelstrom pulse
3 preordain

4 verdant catacombs
3 misty rainforest
4 watery grave
4 breeding pool
4 overgrown tomb
2 marsh flats
1 island
1 swamp
1 forest


2 duress
4 kitchen finks
1 maelstrom pulse
2 spell pierce
3 damnation
3 threads of disloyalty


All-In Red

4 empty the warrens
4 deus of calamity
4 blood moon

4 seething song
4 desperate ritual
4 pyretic ritual
4 rite of flame
4 gitaxian probe
4 manamorphose

4 arid mesa
4 scalding tarn
16 mountain


Mono-White Life

4 martyr of sands
4 soul thing
4 other soul thing
4 serra ascendant
4 ranger of eos
4 ajani's pridemate
4 wall of omens
2 sun titan

4 proclamation of rebirth
2 path to exile

4 emeria, the sky ruin
20 plains


Pyromancer Ascension

4 pyromancer ascension

4 ponder
4 preordain
4 sleight of hand
4 telling time
4 rune snag
4 remand
2 time warp
4 lightning bolt
2 call to mind

4 scalding tarn
4 steam vents
4 misty rainforest
4 cascade bluffs
5 island
3 mountain

UG Tempo

4 noble hierarch
4 quirion dryad
4 tarmogoyf
4 lorescale coatl

4 preordain
4 ponder
4 gitaxian probe
4 time warp
4 remand
4 dismember

4 misty rainforest
4 breeding pool
4 verdant catacombs
4 filter land
2 island
2 forest

[fredcoleaa]

Mike, you think Modern will put a dent in Legacy and legacy prices?

[Mike]

Not significantly. It might help to halt the rapid increase in price that legacy has seen in recent months.

[tehwerr]

I want soul things I've never even heard of that card.

[Deleted]

You haven't heard of Soul Things? It's, like, the best mono-white life gain card out there. It's also sometimes referred to as Magus of the Invincible Hymn; it gains you ludicrous amounts of life each turn.

[lummia2]

Modified deck from Wizard's website:

4 Gemstone Array
4 City of Brass
4 Forbidden Orchard

4 Fieldmist Borderpost
4 Firewild Borderpost
4 Mistvein Borderpost
4 Veinfire Borderpost
3 Wildfield Borderpost

3 Restore Balance
4 Preordain
2 Phyrexian Totem
4 Tezz 2.0
4 Darksteel Ingot

4 Ardent Plea
4 Violent Outburst
4 Demonic Dread

~~~~~~~~~~~

Step 1) Restore balance their lands/creatures/and possibly their hand.

Step 2) Get tezzeret out

Step 3)

Step 4) Win!

[massimiliano]

Other than the Gemstone Array -->Caverns. Thats a pretty funny deck.

Also maybe cutting the preordain to make it so you can only hit balance?

[lummia2]

Oh shit... I forgot about the preordains messing it up >.>, that was a brain dead mistake. Gemstone Array was supposed to be Gemstone Mine. One of the bonuses of using the Gemstone Mine is that it kills itself at 3 uses, aka, the turn you cast your cascade. Hopefully leaving you with 0 lands and balance blows up all of their lands in case you couldn't bounce them all with posts.

Uhhh I guess I can replace the preordains with.... thirst for knowledge maybe? Not sure, but something useful. (I can't believe I didn't think about it messing up the cascade <.<)

[Kino]

I kind of want to play Eldrazi 12-post in a format like this. I'll need replacements for Crop Rotation, though.

[Jaksiel]

I'm playing the Pro Tour for this format and I have no idea what I want to play. Zoo is really the measuring stick for the format. If your deck can't beat Zoo, it's not a viable deck.

[Mike]

Damn Greg, you are supposed to have this shit on lock

Dismember seems cool with the cascade mechanic, idk if it's a necessary card though.